Ask Joan: One week to go edition

That’s right, at this time next week, if you’re doing Christmas, you’ll either be opening gifts, or, if you have really little kids, you’ll be FINISHED with them by now!

You ready?

What’s inside
1. Place outside of Red Lion
2. Was it the original star?
3. Trolley right-of-way fun

1. I remember a place on Route 24 on the edge of Red Lion that burned down in the mid ’60s. I sort of thought it was bar. My memory is a little foggy on this.
- Bill Unger, Shrewsbury

Any ideas for Bill? He’ll be sharing some memories of a VERY popular local eatery later this week, so I wanted to see if we could help with this question!

This photo was submitted by Francis Wark and depicts York’s Continental Square around 1938. I had shared it in a blog post and print column in the spring, and recently received a letter regarding it.

2. The conversation in our family, 70+ years ago indicated that the original star (rumored to have been replaced later) which hung in the York square was made by my grandfather, Charlie T. Kitzmiller, an accomplished carpenter, who was also credited with creating spiral staircases. He worked at a shop located north of the Codorus Creek in an area a bit northwest of the then “Raquet Club” – not sure if the shop was named “Zinn’s”? Can you verify our family conversation and that the star in (the photo seen with today’s post) is the original star? Also, in 1987, William A. Falkler, artist, painted the “Star in the Square, 1950, York, PA,” which was then used for a Christmas greeting – is this the original star?
- Dolores M. Quickel

Christmas is drawing near, so our time to help Dolores “in season,” as it were, is short! I’ve been trying to find any info in our archives on the star, without much success, so I’m hoping someone can point me (and Dolores) in a good direction!

And our last question today is just for fun, and unrelated to the star, but tied in to that same picture from Francis Wark, or at least the trolleys therein. (And you can see another photo of even more downtown trolley activity here.)

3. I’m curious – when all those trolleys converge in the square from different directions at the same time – who has the right-of-way? Does size matter like boats and ships? How is it determined?
- Jo Ott

I found a really interesting post on trolley rush hour – a problem that actually contributed to the demise of this as a form of mass transit – but no clear answer on the rights-of-way at intersections for trolley lines! Any railroading/trolley history buffs who want to enlighten me – and Jo?

Got any questions? Ask Joan using the form at right. I’ll attempt to answer them in a future “Ask Joan” column on this blog. I get a large volume, but I will feature three each week and answer as many as possible!

About Joan

My name is Joan and I'm a lifelong Yorker. Throughout high school and college, I swore I was getting out of here as soon as possible. Now, a few years later, I can't think of anywhere I'd rather be. I love my town, and I hear every day from readers who love their towns, too. So please, connect with me and let's share what makes life in York County great. I'm here to help you enjoy this place as much as I do!
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3 Responses to Ask Joan: One week to go edition

  1. Skipper says:

    I believe the place Bill Unger is referring to on Rt 24 south of Red Lion was Kohler’s Drive-In….that was in the early 50′s . Then it was Luddy’s and it burned to the ground but I don’t recall the year, but probably in the mid dto late 60′s.

  2. Jeff Fix says:

    I think Bill is referring to either the Countryside or Luddy’s but his timing is a bit off in either case. The Countryside was on the Cape Horn Rd (Rt 24) between Lombard Rd and Chapel Church Rd about a mile north of Red Lion. It originally opened as a grocery store in the mid 70s that went out of business and then became the Countryside. They had a country rock theme (which I hated) and I used to meet my wife and other friends there for happy hour. It burned down sometime in the 80s. Luddy’s was on Winterstown Rd (also Rt 24) adjacent to Red Lion Country Club just south of Red Lion. It was originally Kohler’s Drive In and become Luddy’s in the early 70s. I remember eating there with my Mom when I was in high school in the early to mid 70s. It also burned down but I can’t remember when. There’s a vacant lot there now.

  3. sally knapp says:

    This is regarding the original star in the square in York. My father David
    P Godfrey worked for Zinn’s for more than 40 years. The Star was made
    there. Zinn’s was located on Zinn’s Quarry Rd. It was Chester A Zinn Lumber
    and Millwork. To my knowledge this is the original star. He helped refurbish
    the star in later years. He and my mother would talk about it as we drove by
    it on the way to see Christmas lights. Sally Knapp Stewartstown Pa

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