The congressman from York County and the MSNBC host discussed the budget and debt ceiling battles.
Near the end, Matthews accused Perry of taking a “cheap shot.”
That comment was prompted after a discussion of a proposal from House Republicans to tie an increase of the debt limit to construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline, among other things.
“It looks like it’s written by the oil industry,” Matthews said. “And I’m surprised that you’re involved with such a caper.”
“I’m surprised that you read any of it, first of all,” Perry replied.
Matthews seemed to take offense to that. Perry then referenced a 2010 comment by then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi about having to “pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.”
“You know what you can do with that, you can be excused,” Matthews said, “because you just accused me of not doing my job. And that’s a big mistake here.”
Then as Matthews was closing out the interview, Matthews said he wished Perry hadn’t taken that “cheap shot.” Perry laughed.
“Scott Perry, it was cheap. Don’t laugh. …It was really cheap,” Matthews.
“Well, you’ve made some cheap shots at me too. So it’s fair,” Perry said.
“No, No I didn’t. I was fair,” Matthews said. “You’re in bed with the oil industry anyway. Thank you.”
You can watch the full interview after the jump: